Comments on: Kerry's Stance on Abortion is…?

By: Erin

Erin — Wed, 17 Nov 2004 01:32:25 +0000

This is a very touchy subject for me. I volunteer at the Crisis Pregnancy Center and I read all the information and statistics and saw pictures of what they do to an unborn child and it just makes me sick how any human can say that it is ok to do that to an innocent child. I am not in any way trying argue with anyone or judge anyone. It is just plain wrong. And about the woman who was raped or the 13 year old, I understand how that could affect someone but there is adoption. There are plenty of couples out there who would love to have children and can’t, but here there are others killing them. It just makes no sense to me. And I wasn’t saying they should lay down and take it,I guess I should have made myself clear on that, the statistics I read there was a very very low percentage of raped woman who had abortions. It’s mostly irresponsible women who did’nt protect themselves and made the child pay for it. I don’t understand how you can say, Courtney, that an unborn fetus is not a life until it can survive outside the womb. It has every organ a human has that takes time to mature, but until then it’s just what a piece of meat we can just throw into a trash can (which is pretty much what they do, and sometimes it is still alive to lay in there and suffer). I don’t mean to sound angry or so graffic but that part of it needs to be heard. I’m not trying to pursuade anyone to believe in God by saying God says it’s wrong, it’s morally wrong, I don’t care if they believe in God or not, there is no exuse for killing a child. I appreciate your comments Michael.:wink:

By: A.M.M.

A.M.M. — Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:59:53 +0000

I will admit that, that although I believe in God, I understand that Erin’s arguements won’t pursuade someone who doesn’t (or refuses to) believe in God.

Perhaps we should also rephrase what was said about the rapist. She shouldn’t accept it (unless her life is forfeit if she does), but that still doesn’t validate an abortion.

By: Michael

Michael — Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:23:56 +0000

Tough questions, to be sure, but if the unborn *is* a life (and you have no proof that it isn’t), why should the baby be killed regardless of what the biological parents did? Is it somehow the baby’s fault?

God believes in you, by the way.

By: Courtney

Courtney — Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:18:45 +0000

Following your logic Erin, a woman who was raped should not have laid down and accepted it? Or a 13 year old girl who was molested by her grandfather? How nice of you to be so judgemental. And btw, not everyone believes in god, so really your justification carries no weight. Can a 10 week old fetus sustain itself outside the mother’s womb? Not currently and until it can, I’m not willing to choose how every woman in this country lives their life. I’ll choose how I live mine and mine only. Would I have an abortion for any reason? No, but my life circumstances are much different than others might be and I choose not to live in judgment of how others life their life. You might want to try it sometime, it might make you a better person.

By: A.M.M.

A.M.M. — Tue, 16 Nov 2004 03:05:39 +0000

Wow, and I thought this particular topic has been run into the ground. I certainly didn’t expect a new post, at least. I think everything that could/should have been said has been by now. Nothing new can be added at this point.

The topic may not be done, but I’m going to hate making the same responses all over again.

By: Erin

Erin — Tue, 16 Nov 2004 02:31:30 +0000

I really don’t see the confusion about when a life begins. If there is a heartbeat there is life. Abortion of any kind is MURDER….There is no exuse for murdering an unborn child. Some women get abortions due to deformity or any other condition not considered “normal”, does it really matter what YOUR child is going to look like or what he or she can’t do due to something like downsyndrome, it is still your child, a human life that you created with the help of God, which who by the way is the One that draws that line in the sand. Im sorry, but I don’t think lack of knowledge about safe sex, or a 15 year old girl who has had a rough life is any kind of exuse for abortion. Everyone knows how to get pregnant, having sex, if you do not want a child don’t lay down and have sex without protection, which is also common sense, or else face the consequences. I believe the problem with abortion is people saying it’s ok, it’s not a human life, which leads to women or girls having unprotected sex and then killing the poor innocent life so it does’nt inconvenience their life in any way. Why should any human life, inside OR outside the womb die for another’s lack of responsibility. Every child is a beautiful gift from God (regardless of any kind of deformity) and should be cherished no matter what the situation is, everything happens for a reason. We need to stop torturing our unborn children (which thats what aborion is, torture) and start taking responsibility for OUR actions. Our unborn children need to stop being murdered.

By: Michael

Michael — Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:27:46 +0000

I never said Anon wasn’t welcome. Just pointing out that I delete 1/2 his posts, and the other half don’t sway me.

I recommend Courtney’s site to you, Anon. She’s not some sort of right wing religious whacko like me, though I suspect members of her family are.

By: Courtney

Courtney — Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:20:44 +0000

I am thoroughly enjoying the discussions, you’re welcome on my blog anytime anon. In fact, suggest some topics for discussion if you’d like.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:08:09 +0000

No I’m all done. I tried to help, but it was in vain. I will leave you and you won’t ever have to worry about being challenged again. You have made statements that are untrue, and when asked to verify, you pretend that you know what you are talking about. There was not one specific lie mentioned in Michael Moore’s movie (which you have not seen and therefore makes any commentary on its content invalid). You did not prove a single one of my statements incorrect and instead misquoted sources that actually helped prove my argument and discredited your own. I tried to work with you. Unfortunately you have not wanted to open up yourself to criticism and defend your positions. Its fine to have beliefs and ideas and try to expose others to your wisdom, I encourage everyone to do so. But if you can’t defend your beliefs and show respect for others than something might be lacking. I’m sorry this didn’t work out. I wish you the best with your blog.

By: Michael

Michael — Fri, 09 Jul 2004 23:42:53 +0000

yet you reject the idea that anyone with a different perspective from yours may actually have a valid argument.

That is untrue.

why donâ€™t we examine the record of what they actually have done to help or hurt the interests of the public.

I do that. After substantial reading of current events since 1980, I’ve decided Bush is the candidate for me in 2004. I’ve chosen to focus on Kerry’s waffles as I think he’s a poor candidate, and a trial lawyer didn’t help his selection.

For someone who has half of their posts removed from this blog for insulting me, you are certainly full of advice about “working together” “for civil, logical, and reasonable conversation.”

You’re under some sort of belief this is a debate forum, which it is not.

Since apparently you’re going to stick around, I suggest choosing a name to keep from confusing you with other “Anonymous” people that pop in here from time to time.