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		<title>By: TexasSparkle: The Gift of Suffering</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 15:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] for the insight. I did a book review a while back on Brokenness, how God redeems pain and suffering. Tony would not be the first to grow closer to God after a [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;]]></description>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://chasingthewind.net/2006/02/14/review-brokenness/#comment-5217</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sean, sometimes out of the blue you surprise me.  Thanks for the post; the scripture you quoted is over and above what I had already read.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean, sometimes out of the blue you surprise me.  Thanks for the post; the scripture you quoted is over and above what I had already read.</p>
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		<link>http://chasingthewind.net/2006/02/14/review-brokenness/#comment-5216</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://chasingthewind.net/2006/02/14/review-brokenness/#comment-5215</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t know of any formal tradition -per se, being still a recent convert, but the entire NT points out the requirements and benefits of suffering, pointing to Christ&#039;s passion as the ultimate suffering for perfection of the sins of humans.  Sorry for the long post, but I got interested with Lent coming.

Quick search revealed these passages:

Whoever does not take up his cross and follow after me is not worthy of me&quot; (Matt. 10:38).

&quot;[We are] joint heirs with Christ, if only we suffer with him so that we may also be glorified with him&quot; (Rom. 8:16-17).

&quot;I consider that the sufferings of this present time are as nothing compared with the glory to be revealed to us&quot; (Rom. 8:18).

&quot;And this is God&#039;s doing. For to you has been granted, for the sake of Christ, not only to believe in him but also to suffer for him&quot; (Phi!. 1:28-29).

&quot;I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in the sufferings of Christ on behalf of his body, which is the Church&quot; (Co!. 1:24).

&quot;You have also forgotten the exhortation addressed to you as sons: &#039;My son, do not disdain the discipline of the Lord or lose heart when reproved by him; for whom the Lord loves, he disciplines; he scourges every son he acknowledges.&#039; Endure your trials as &#039;discipline&#039;; God treats you as sons&quot; (Heb. 12:5-7).

&quot;[A]ll discipline seems a cause not for joy but for pain, yet later it brings the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who are trained by it&quot; (Heb. 12:11).

&quot;In this you rejoice, although now for a little while you may have to suffer through various trials&quot; (1 Pet. 1:6).

&quot;Whenever anyone bears the pain of unjust suffering because of consciousness of God, that is a grace. . . Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example that you should follow in his footsteps&quot; (1 Pet. 2:19-21).




Also, I am looking forward to finding C.S. Lewis&#039; &quot;The Problem with Pain&quot;  (In which I read suffering here) One conclusion is that pain is &quot;planting the flag of truth in the conciousness of the rebellious free spirit of man&quot;.  (paraphrased - you can see why I want to read it).

The problem of evil/suffering in the world is a major stumbling block for many, who do not believe that a benevolent God would allow suffering.  Suffering is absolutely essential to direct us to God, for without it, proud beings such as us, would tend to believe that we don&#039;t need him.  Sort of a divine whack up side the head.

In it&#039;s simplest form, I think of suffering as a tool of perfection for us,  forcing a dependence on God for life, and also pointing out to us &quot;free spirits&quot; that sin is not a good thing.

Moms and Dads do it all the time:

Johnny, don&#039;t touch the stove - it will hurt.......see, I told you so, now go bandage your hand and remember what I tell you is true.

Tradition backs this up, of course.  Augustine&#039;s writings some to mind.

Also, being on the verge of the lenten time, this question is entirely appropriate.   See also Pope Bendict&#039;s 2006 thinkings on human suffering and our duty to alleviate it - Great insight on the scripture:

â€œJesus, at the sight of the crowds, was moved with pityâ€ (Mt 9:36).

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/messages/lent/documents/hf_ben-xvi_mes_20050929_lent-2006_en.html



Cheers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t know of any formal tradition -per se, being still a recent convert, but the entire NT points out the requirements and benefits of suffering, pointing to Christ&#8217;s passion as the ultimate suffering for perfection of the sins of humans.  Sorry for the long post, but I got interested with Lent coming.</p>
<p>Quick search revealed these passages:</p>
<p>Whoever does not take up his cross and follow after me is not worthy of me&#8221; (Matt. 10:38).</p>
<p>&#8220;[We are] joint heirs with Christ, if only we suffer with him so that we may also be glorified with him&#8221; (Rom. 8:16-17).</p>
<p>&#8220;I consider that the sufferings of this present time are as nothing compared with the glory to be revealed to us&#8221; (Rom. 8:18).</p>
<p>&#8220;And this is God&#8217;s doing. For to you has been granted, for the sake of Christ, not only to believe in him but also to suffer for him&#8221; (Phi!. 1:28-29).</p>
<p>&#8220;I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in the sufferings of Christ on behalf of his body, which is the Church&#8221; (Co!. 1:24).</p>
<p>&#8220;You have also forgotten the exhortation addressed to you as sons: &#8216;My son, do not disdain the discipline of the Lord or lose heart when reproved by him; for whom the Lord loves, he disciplines; he scourges every son he acknowledges.&#8217; Endure your trials as &#8216;discipline&#8217;; God treats you as sons&#8221; (Heb. 12:5-7).</p>
<p>&#8220;[A]ll discipline seems a cause not for joy but for pain, yet later it brings the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who are trained by it&#8221; (Heb. 12:11).</p>
<p>&#8220;In this you rejoice, although now for a little while you may have to suffer through various trials&#8221; (1 Pet. 1:6).</p>
<p>&#8220;Whenever anyone bears the pain of unjust suffering because of consciousness of God, that is a grace. . . Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example that you should follow in his footsteps&#8221; (1 Pet. 2:19-21).</p>
<p>Also, I am looking forward to finding C.S. Lewis&#8217; &#8220;The Problem with Pain&#8221;  (In which I read suffering here) One conclusion is that pain is &#8220;planting the flag of truth in the conciousness of the rebellious free spirit of man&#8221;.  (paraphrased &#8211; you can see why I want to read it).</p>
<p>The problem of evil/suffering in the world is a major stumbling block for many, who do not believe that a benevolent God would allow suffering.  Suffering is absolutely essential to direct us to God, for without it, proud beings such as us, would tend to believe that we don&#8217;t need him.  Sort of a divine whack up side the head.</p>
<p>In it&#8217;s simplest form, I think of suffering as a tool of perfection for us,  forcing a dependence on God for life, and also pointing out to us &#8220;free spirits&#8221; that sin is not a good thing.</p>
<p>Moms and Dads do it all the time:</p>
<p>Johnny, don&#8217;t touch the stove &#8211; it will hurt&#8230;&#8230;.see, I told you so, now go bandage your hand and remember what I tell you is true.</p>
<p>Tradition backs this up, of course.  Augustine&#8217;s writings some to mind.</p>
<p>Also, being on the verge of the lenten time, this question is entirely appropriate.   See also Pope Bendict&#8217;s 2006 thinkings on human suffering and our duty to alleviate it &#8211; Great insight on the scripture:</p>
<p>â€œJesus, at the sight of the crowds, was moved with pityâ€ (Mt 9:36).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/messages/lent/documents/hf_ben-xvi_mes_20050929_lent-2006_en.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/messages/lent/documents/hf_ben-xvi_mes_20050929_lent-2006_en.html</a></p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://chasingthewind.net/2006/02/14/review-brokenness/#comment-5214</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought there might have been a teaching based on tradition I was unaware of.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought there might have been a teaching based on tradition I was unaware of.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://chasingthewind.net/2006/02/14/review-brokenness/#comment-5213</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Straight out of the Bible - just like you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Straight out of the Bible &#8211; just like you.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://chasingthewind.net/2006/02/14/review-brokenness/#comment-5212</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought you just had &quot;guilt&quot; down pat.  What does the Catholic church teach regarding brokenness?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought you just had &#8220;guilt&#8221; down pat.  What does the Catholic church teach regarding brokenness?</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://chasingthewind.net/2006/02/14/review-brokenness/#comment-5211</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Take up your cross and follow me.&quot;

Sounds like a very Catholic attitude, and I can relate....

Cheers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Take up your cross and follow me.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sounds like a very Catholic attitude, and I can relate&#8230;.</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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