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		<title>By: Allan Svensson</title>
		<link>http://chasingthewind.net/2007/03/05/once-saved-always-saved/#comment-5988</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Allan Svensson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi.
I found your Web Site by Google
And I wish you the best you can get,
the peace of God through Jesus Christ.

Welcome to visit my Site.
Allan Svensson, Sweden
http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/INDEX.HTM

Once saved - always saved?
The doctrine of election, which William M. Branham preached,
that the elected cannot fall away from the Lord, it can entice
people into a false safety,  which can be their fall. Branham&#039;s
doctrine of the election does not agree with Ezekiel 33:12-19
or Rom. 11:17-22.

If the elected ones cannot become lost, why then are there so
many warnings in the Bible? Why did Jesus warn us about
false teachers and false prophets, if it is impossible that the
elected ones become lost?

If it is no risk to lose our salvation, then we do not need to
hold us awake or be careful against false teachers. Why then
are Israel&#039;s sins and punishments under their wandering through
the desert, written down as warnings for us? Why then did Paul
write, &quot;Now all these things happened unto them for examples:
and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of
the world are coming. Wherefore let him that thinketh he
standeth take heed lest he falls.&quot; 1 Cor. 10:1-12.

A usual reason that Christians fall away from the Lord, is that
they follow false doctrines, which lead away from the sincere
faithfulness to the Lord. They believe more on preachers and
priests than on the Bible.

A remarkable phenomenon is, that the most resistance against
revival comes from those Christians who have been praying for
revival during many years.  They have prayed for revival, but
when the answer to prayers comes, then they become angry.
They do not like to hear the truth of the Assembly of God, the
Body of Christ. Instead to praise Jesus, they are irritated and
afraid.  Why?  They are spiritually blinded of Satans false
assembly doctrine. They do not have the knowledge of the
Assembly of God.  This truth has never been preached in the
churches.

Churches and denominations are Satan&#039;s tools to hold control
over the Christians. The purpose of the churches is that with
false doctrine defend churches and denominations, and to hold
their members in religious slavery, and hinder them to
understand God&#039;s word.


In the time of the apostles any church did not exist, and
therefore the word &quot;church&quot; does not occur in the Bible.
Everywhere in your English Bible where you see the word
&quot;church&quot; it is a grave translation error. It ought to be
&quot;assembly&quot;.

As you can see in my Web site, I am no member in any
church. In the year 1965 I left Babylon the great, and since
then I have been outside of all churches and denominations,
according to the command of the Lord. Rev. 18:4.

This command of the Lord is the most powerful revival
message we can find in the Bible.  Yet, this truth of the Bible
has not been preached among God&#039;s people, and therefore the
Christians are entirely unprepared for Jesus&#039; coming. Only
few Christians have obeyed this command of the Lord to
come out of the great Babylon.

Just this is revival, that all God&#039;s people become free from
all churches and denominations, the great Babylon. Many
preachers are speaking that Jesus shall come, but they do
nothing to prepare themselves.

On my Homepage I have written very much about the
Assembly of God and about churches and denominations.
It is very urgent that all God&#039;s people get the knowledge
of this.

None be saved by works of the law, Gal. 2:16,
and none be saved without works of faith. Matt. 7:21-23.

Prepare you to meet Jesus!
http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/PREPARE.HTM

Evil spirits in the churches
http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/SPIRITS.HTM

Why did the Pentecostal Revival take an end?
http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/CRISIS.HTM#end

What does hinder the Antichrist to appear?
What is the Restrainer?
http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/MESSAGE.HTM#Antichrist]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi.<br />
I found your Web Site by Google<br />
And I wish you the best you can get,<br />
the peace of God through Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>Welcome to visit my Site.<br />
Allan Svensson, Sweden<br />
<a href="http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/INDEX.HTM" rel="nofollow">http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/INDEX.HTM</a></p>
<p>Once saved &#8211; always saved?<br />
The doctrine of election, which William M. Branham preached,<br />
that the elected cannot fall away from the Lord, it can entice<br />
people into a false safety,  which can be their fall. Branham&#8217;s<br />
doctrine of the election does not agree with Ezekiel 33:12-19<br />
or Rom. 11:17-22.</p>
<p>If the elected ones cannot become lost, why then are there so<br />
many warnings in the Bible? Why did Jesus warn us about<br />
false teachers and false prophets, if it is impossible that the<br />
elected ones become lost?</p>
<p>If it is no risk to lose our salvation, then we do not need to<br />
hold us awake or be careful against false teachers. Why then<br />
are Israel&#8217;s sins and punishments under their wandering through<br />
the desert, written down as warnings for us? Why then did Paul<br />
write, &#8220;Now all these things happened unto them for examples:<br />
and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of<br />
the world are coming. Wherefore let him that thinketh he<br />
standeth take heed lest he falls.&#8221; 1 Cor. 10:1-12.</p>
<p>A usual reason that Christians fall away from the Lord, is that<br />
they follow false doctrines, which lead away from the sincere<br />
faithfulness to the Lord. They believe more on preachers and<br />
priests than on the Bible.</p>
<p>A remarkable phenomenon is, that the most resistance against<br />
revival comes from those Christians who have been praying for<br />
revival during many years.  They have prayed for revival, but<br />
when the answer to prayers comes, then they become angry.<br />
They do not like to hear the truth of the Assembly of God, the<br />
Body of Christ. Instead to praise Jesus, they are irritated and<br />
afraid.  Why?  They are spiritually blinded of Satans false<br />
assembly doctrine. They do not have the knowledge of the<br />
Assembly of God.  This truth has never been preached in the<br />
churches.</p>
<p>Churches and denominations are Satan&#8217;s tools to hold control<br />
over the Christians. The purpose of the churches is that with<br />
false doctrine defend churches and denominations, and to hold<br />
their members in religious slavery, and hinder them to<br />
understand God&#8217;s word.</p>
<p>In the time of the apostles any church did not exist, and<br />
therefore the word &#8220;church&#8221; does not occur in the Bible.<br />
Everywhere in your English Bible where you see the word<br />
&#8220;church&#8221; it is a grave translation error. It ought to be<br />
&#8220;assembly&#8221;.</p>
<p>As you can see in my Web site, I am no member in any<br />
church. In the year 1965 I left Babylon the great, and since<br />
then I have been outside of all churches and denominations,<br />
according to the command of the Lord. Rev. 18:4.</p>
<p>This command of the Lord is the most powerful revival<br />
message we can find in the Bible.  Yet, this truth of the Bible<br />
has not been preached among God&#8217;s people, and therefore the<br />
Christians are entirely unprepared for Jesus&#8217; coming. Only<br />
few Christians have obeyed this command of the Lord to<br />
come out of the great Babylon.</p>
<p>Just this is revival, that all God&#8217;s people become free from<br />
all churches and denominations, the great Babylon. Many<br />
preachers are speaking that Jesus shall come, but they do<br />
nothing to prepare themselves.</p>
<p>On my Homepage I have written very much about the<br />
Assembly of God and about churches and denominations.<br />
It is very urgent that all God&#8217;s people get the knowledge<br />
of this.</p>
<p>None be saved by works of the law, Gal. 2:16,<br />
and none be saved without works of faith. Matt. 7:21-23.</p>
<p>Prepare you to meet Jesus!<br />
<a href="http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/PREPARE.HTM" rel="nofollow">http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/PREPARE.HTM</a></p>
<p>Evil spirits in the churches<br />
<a href="http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/SPIRITS.HTM" rel="nofollow">http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/SPIRITS.HTM</a></p>
<p>Why did the Pentecostal Revival take an end?<br />
<a href="http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/CRISIS.HTM#end" rel="nofollow">http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/CRISIS.HTM#end</a></p>
<p>What does hinder the Antichrist to appear?<br />
What is the Restrainer?<br />
<a href="http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/MESSAGE.HTM#Antichrist" rel="nofollow">http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/MESSAGE.HTM#Antichrist</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://chasingthewind.net/2007/03/05/once-saved-always-saved/#comment-5987</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 13:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you, Rudi.  I think overall scripture is clear that nothing we can do, save for confessing Christ is Lord, will save us.  And therefore nothing we can do will lost that salvation.  Passages you reference, must be understood in that context.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Rudi.  I think overall scripture is clear that nothing we can do, save for confessing Christ is Lord, will save us.  And therefore nothing we can do will lost that salvation.  Passages you reference, must be understood in that context.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi Borha</title>
		<link>http://chasingthewind.net/2007/03/05/once-saved-always-saved/#comment-5986</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rudi Borha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 18:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Michael.  On the 24th of July 2007, a question was raised by Victoria relating to the &quot;Once saved, always saved&quot; saying that there are verses (Mat 24) that contradict your statements on this topic. I believe in eternal security and would like to give you my answer to this:

In Mat 24 Jesus gives the signs of the His coming and v8: &quot;All these are the beginning of sorrows.&quot;  &quot;Sorrows&quot; is the Greek word &quot;odin&quot;, meaning birthpains.  Birthpains only occur just before birth, not through pregnancy.  These signs are the events that are going to take place just before the second coming of Christ.

Secondly, the church will not be present during the great tribulation (V21), as the church has been raptured before the antichrist will appear. (2Thes 2:3,4)  Compare Matt 24:4-9 and Rev 6:1-7 (beginning of the great tribulation).  Mat 24:13 is directed to the last generation just before the second coming of Christ.  In this context it is refering to Israel that must be alive at the end.  If they (Israel) endure to the end, they will be saved. Sag 12:10, Acts 15:16, Rom 11:26, Dan 12:1.  A true believer do not have to endure to the end TO BE SAVED...HE IS ALREADY SAVED.  He will be raptured before the last seven years of tribulation starts.

Hope this will explantion will clear up the confusion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michael.  On the 24th of July 2007, a question was raised by Victoria relating to the &#8220;Once saved, always saved&#8221; saying that there are verses (Mat 24) that contradict your statements on this topic. I believe in eternal security and would like to give you my answer to this:</p>
<p>In Mat 24 Jesus gives the signs of the His coming and v8: &#8220;All these are the beginning of sorrows.&#8221;  &#8220;Sorrows&#8221; is the Greek word &#8220;odin&#8221;, meaning birthpains.  Birthpains only occur just before birth, not through pregnancy.  These signs are the events that are going to take place just before the second coming of Christ.</p>
<p>Secondly, the church will not be present during the great tribulation (V21), as the church has been raptured before the antichrist will appear. (2Thes 2:3,4)  Compare Matt 24:4-9 and Rev 6:1-7 (beginning of the great tribulation).  Mat 24:13 is directed to the last generation just before the second coming of Christ.  In this context it is refering to Israel that must be alive at the end.  If they (Israel) endure to the end, they will be saved. Sag 12:10, Acts 15:16, Rom 11:26, Dan 12:1.  A true believer do not have to endure to the end TO BE SAVED&#8230;HE IS ALREADY SAVED.  He will be raptured before the last seven years of tribulation starts.</p>
<p>Hope this will explantion will clear up the confusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://chasingthewind.net/2007/03/05/once-saved-always-saved/#comment-5985</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Viktoria, the scholars sometimes interpret Matthew 24 as applying to those Christians after the rapture bt before the Day of the Lord.  I confess I do not know.  But just because Jesus says, &quot;he who stands firm to the end will be saved&quot; doesn&#039;t mean to me that salvation can be lost.  What does He mean by &quot;standing firm?&quot;  If one accepts Christ, is that &quot;standing firm?&quot;  If one doesn&#039;t stand firm, then did he truly accept Christ?

Otherwise, I agree with your post.  Christianity is indeed a journey, a sanctification.  I look back at my early Christian years and can see evidence of Christ&#039;s work, and give Him the glory for what He has done and continues to do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Viktoria, the scholars sometimes interpret Matthew 24 as applying to those Christians after the rapture bt before the Day of the Lord.  I confess I do not know.  But just because Jesus says, &#8220;he who stands firm to the end will be saved&#8221; doesn&#8217;t mean to me that salvation can be lost.  What does He mean by &#8220;standing firm?&#8221;  If one accepts Christ, is that &#8220;standing firm?&#8221;  If one doesn&#8217;t stand firm, then did he truly accept Christ?</p>
<p>Otherwise, I agree with your post.  Christianity is indeed a journey, a sanctification.  I look back at my early Christian years and can see evidence of Christ&#8217;s work, and give Him the glory for what He has done and continues to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Viktoria</title>
		<link>http://chasingthewind.net/2007/03/05/once-saved-always-saved/#comment-5984</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Viktoria]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Michael,

Sorry it took me so long to check back for your answer. I appreciate you taking time to address my questions. However your explanation does not make sense to me, especially the explanation of the Matthew verses.

I am not aware of existence of different churches. I see Matthew 24 as being addressed to me, not someone else. I think Jesus addresses my faith.

I agree that scripture is consistent, but it doesn&#039;t mean that we have to ignore or somehow separate (like, well it is not really referring to us) Matthew verse because of other verses.
Maybe it is there to make us look at our faith from a different angle. I don&#039;t know what it is but I think it means that God gives us our faith and God keeps us faithful as well, helping us &#039;endure to the end&#039;. We do not just convert to christianity one time, it is a lifelong journey and we have to fight for our faith and joy in God every day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michael,</p>
<p>Sorry it took me so long to check back for your answer. I appreciate you taking time to address my questions. However your explanation does not make sense to me, especially the explanation of the Matthew verses.</p>
<p>I am not aware of existence of different churches. I see Matthew 24 as being addressed to me, not someone else. I think Jesus addresses my faith.</p>
<p>I agree that scripture is consistent, but it doesn&#8217;t mean that we have to ignore or somehow separate (like, well it is not really referring to us) Matthew verse because of other verses.<br />
Maybe it is there to make us look at our faith from a different angle. I don&#8217;t know what it is but I think it means that God gives us our faith and God keeps us faithful as well, helping us &#8216;endure to the end&#8217;. We do not just convert to christianity one time, it is a lifelong journey and we have to fight for our faith and joy in God every day.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://chasingthewind.net/2007/03/05/once-saved-always-saved/#comment-5983</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 03:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Viktoria.  I&#039;m not a biblical scholar, but I do know that all scripture is consistent, so those passages must be consistent with the &quot;once saved&quot; passages above.  Matthew 24 is addressing the church of the tribulation (or the church of the millenium), while scholars often call the current times the &quot;church of grace.&quot;  And Luke 8 appears to question whether the believer has truly placed their faith in Christ.

Does that help?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Viktoria.  I&#8217;m not a biblical scholar, but I do know that all scripture is consistent, so those passages must be consistent with the &#8220;once saved&#8221; passages above.  Matthew 24 is addressing the church of the tribulation (or the church of the millenium), while scholars often call the current times the &#8220;church of grace.&#8221;  And Luke 8 appears to question whether the believer has truly placed their faith in Christ.</p>
<p>Does that help?</p>
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		<title>By: Viktoria</title>
		<link>http://chasingthewind.net/2007/03/05/once-saved-always-saved/#comment-5982</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Viktoria]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 17:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Michael,

I&#039;m not sure I agree with &quot;once saved, always saved&quot; statement. You bring up a lot of good points, however there are verses that contradict your statement. Jesus spoke of believers who lost their faith (not just thought that they had it but had it and lost it) on at least two occasions: Matthew 24:10-13 and Luke 8:13. What I take from these verses is  that the only way for us to know that our faith will take us to heaven is to persevere and endure to the end. Those who fall away do not make it (Matthew 24:13).

I&#039;d like to hear how you understand these verses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michael,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I agree with &#8220;once saved, always saved&#8221; statement. You bring up a lot of good points, however there are verses that contradict your statement. Jesus spoke of believers who lost their faith (not just thought that they had it but had it and lost it) on at least two occasions: Matthew 24:10-13 and Luke 8:13. What I take from these verses is  that the only way for us to know that our faith will take us to heaven is to persevere and endure to the end. Those who fall away do not make it (Matthew 24:13).</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to hear how you understand these verses.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://chasingthewind.net/2007/03/05/once-saved-always-saved/#comment-5981</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 04:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You ever wonder if the Holy spirit is shaking his head over the church Christ founded to spread the good news to the world?

How is it that so many supposedly spirit-led interpretations have led to the fracturing of the Church that Hell cannot prevail against until the end of time?

Hubris, thy name is &quot;self appointed theologian&quot;.

Here&#039;s praying for a reconciliation of all Christian faiths.

Sorry,  I just read the link above on 16, and my head aches.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You ever wonder if the Holy spirit is shaking his head over the church Christ founded to spread the good news to the world?</p>
<p>How is it that so many supposedly spirit-led interpretations have led to the fracturing of the Church that Hell cannot prevail against until the end of time?</p>
<p>Hubris, thy name is &#8220;self appointed theologian&#8221;.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s praying for a reconciliation of all Christian faiths.</p>
<p>Sorry,  I just read the link above on 16, and my head aches.</p>
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		<title>By: Chasing the Wind</title>
		<link>http://chasingthewind.net/2007/03/05/once-saved-always-saved/#comment-5980</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chasing the Wind]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 18:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] you&#8217;re interested in additional thoughts on the &#8220;Once Saved, Always Saved&#8221; discussion, there&#8217;s a similar discussion going on at the Bible Archive called Can I Be [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] you&#8217;re interested in additional thoughts on the &#8220;Once Saved, Always Saved&#8221; discussion, there&#8217;s a similar discussion going on at the Bible Archive called Can I Be [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://chasingthewind.net/2007/03/05/once-saved-always-saved/#comment-5979</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 20:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m pretty sure I&#039;ve already addressed those issues.  First, all scripture is in agreement, so how do you reconcile those scriptures with the dozens I&#039;ve posted above?  I believe we&#039;re talking at different points in time; for instance, Matthew 7:21 is talking about somebody who hasn&#039;t accept Christ yet.  And scholars often interpret 2 Peter 2:20-22 as a hyothetical questions that begins with &quot;if this were possible, then.&quot;

I think it&#039;s clear that obedience to God&#039;s word is important, and if you are a follower of Christ, you want to obey.  But you cannot obey &quot;good enough&quot; to get into heaven, nor for the same reason can you lose your salvation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure I&#8217;ve already addressed those issues.  First, all scripture is in agreement, so how do you reconcile those scriptures with the dozens I&#8217;ve posted above?  I believe we&#8217;re talking at different points in time; for instance, Matthew 7:21 is talking about somebody who hasn&#8217;t accept Christ yet.  And scholars often interpret 2 Peter 2:20-22 as a hyothetical questions that begins with &#8220;if this were possible, then.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s clear that obedience to God&#8217;s word is important, and if you are a follower of Christ, you want to obey.  But you cannot obey &#8220;good enough&#8221; to get into heaven, nor for the same reason can you lose your salvation.</p>
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